Time for Feedback? How to Get the Most Out of It
By Virginia Pye | February 13, 2024 |
Please welcome our newest contributor, Virginia Pye, to Writer Unboxed!
Virginia is the author of four books of fiction, essays, and short stories. Her latest historical novel, The Literary Undoing of Victoria Swann, was published in October 2023. Her collection, Shelf Life of Happiness won the 2019 Independent Publisher Gold Medal for Short Fiction and one of its stories was nominated for a Pushcart Prize. Her debut novel, River of Dust was an Indie Next Pick and a 2013 Finalist for the Virginia Literary Award. Her second novel, Dreams of the Red Phoenix was named a Best Book of 2015 by the Richmond Times Dispatch.
Virginia has taught writing at New York University and the University of Pennsylvania and, most recently, at Grub Street Writing Center’s Muse and Marketplace Conference in Boston.
You can connect with her here, on her website, or at the social media sites links listed below.
Welcome Virginia!
A question faced by all writers, no matter their level of experience, is how and when to solicit critical feedback. How can you know when your work-in-progress is ready to be seen and who should you trust to respond both honestly and constructively?
The decision is different for short stories. A critic reads them in full and can respond to a writer’s overall intentions. With a longer work, when a reader may respond to only part of the whole, comments can feel less useful. Novel workshops are often structured to offer feedback one chapter at a time. It works for some writers, but in my experience, piecemeal criticism, especially of an early draft, can miss the mark or even lead the writer astray.
The most useful feedback, in my view, responds to the manuscript as a whole. This requires greater commitment from a friend or colleague, of course. And from the novelist, it requires more patience with the process. We can’t rush to finish if we’re waiting to hear back from a reader who’s evaluating the book from beginning to end.
This slowing down can often work in the writer’s favor, a “forced” breather from a manuscript can create much needed distance, even before hearing any comments. More than once, a break from a novel-in-progress has helped me prepare for a critique that’s coming my way.
But when should we ask for this gift of time and insight from our first readers? It’s time to seek out first readers when you’ve done enough self-editing to not feel embarrassed by our effort, and yet still know the manuscript needs plenty of work. A first reader needs to see the big picture, assessing the novel in its entirety and not focusing on the sentence level.
The writer should guide their reader with basic questions, such as what works in my manuscript and what feels weak? What did you want more of? What did you find extraneous? An early reader should be someone whose literary tastes you trust. Not everyone is skilled at giving literary feedback, so you’ll want to avoid anyone who’s too prescriptive or insistent, as their opinions may undermine your confidence or constrain your imagination.
Even with the value and necessity of a first reader, I try not to share a manuscript until I’ve completed a full draft. For me, that really means two drafts. In a first draft, I stake out the storyline and my characters start to come into focus. But it isn’t until I complete a second draft that I know my characters well and the novel’s themes become clear to me. While writing a second draft, the novel can also surprise me with its own logic, which is one of the greatest joys in writing. It’s crucial that I allow for those moments of inspiration before anyone else weighs in.
In my most recent novel, The Literary Undoing of Victoria Swann, the love story of the first draft is not the one that readers enjoy in the published book. It wasn’t until well into a second draft that the true love story emerged. I couldn’t yet tell how my story needed to unfold in the first draft. Critical feedback at this phase might have thrown me off course and derailed the discovery that became the crux of my story. I needed time and space to find it for myself before hearing what others thought.
Even so, once comments come back on a full manuscript, how exactly do you process them and extract the most useful and relevant points? For me, the best approach is to sit with them, let the criticism settle on the manuscript, and wait a while—meaning days or weeks. If a comment keeps popping up in my mind as I walk the dog or do the dishes, or, most especially, if I wake in the night turning it over in my mind, then I know there’s something to it. This can happen with the most considered suggestion offered by a reader, or from a comment tossed off by a friend.
Recently, over dinner at a friend’s house, I described my next novel, one I hope to send out soon on submission. It’s more-or-less finished—at least I thought so before our conversation. After hearing my description, my friend’s husband got excited. He liked the drama, the action, which reminded him of other memorable novels he’s read. As he spoke, I began to feel the novel he had in mind was more engaging than the novel I’d drafted. A disturbing, familiar sensation began to take over: doubt.
We all feel it. Every time we share our work-in-progress, we make ourselves vulnerable and the potential for doubt increases. We’re no longer the sole authority as others start to weigh in. By asking what readers think, we’re saying we need help. Whatever confidence we might have can become muddled as voices from the outside infiltrate our process.
Given an invitation to read a draft, a reader logically assumes it’s open to change. They may be eager to show their literary acumen, or maybe they’ve offered to read out of generosity, intending to show their care for the writer and the work. Sometimes though, they come at it from an unexpected angle, offering insights based on information or experience the writer has no way of knowing in advance. In other words, when a writer shares a work-in-progress, there’s no telling what they’ll receive.
For this reason, it’s important to be as discerning as possible when choosing who to trust with a work-in-progress. Who do we know well enough to ask for this labor of love—and to read a full-length draft is just that. Writers with established critique groups have a ready-made arrangement and it can be especially valuable to share with someone who’s already familiar with our work. But if a reader knows your writing too well and has made peace with your quirks, you might not be getting the objective feedback your book deserves.
I suggest choosing a reader with an affinity for your genre or style of writing. Fellow writers make the best readers because we share a critical vocabulary. But it can also be useful to share with someone who simply loves reading and has the capacity to discern and articulate their response. That person can let you know if your draft reads well, and which sections caused them to grow impatient or bored.
At later stages in the writing process, it’s also sometimes crucial to bring in another reader or two whose background or expertise informs their reading. These sensitivity or authenticity readers can help confirm or correct an author whose characters are unlike themselves in terms of race, ethnicity, class, regional background, or other differences.
I have found it helpful to ask more than one reader to critique the same draft. If several readers agree that something isn’t working, that’s a strong indication it’s something I need to address. But what to do if the readers differ in their responses? This has happened to me any number of times, especially when hearing back from literary agents, who often seem to focus on different aspects of a submission. When feedback isn’t unified or doesn’t point the writer in a clear direction, it’s time to take a breather and mull things over.
Over dessert, my new friend and her husband playfully tossed around title suggestions for the novel they thought I’d written. Their suggestions weren’t right, but I woke this morning wondering about my current title. No doubt I’ll ponder it again before bed tonight. The idea is worth pursuing because it’s insistent. It sticks in my craw and can’t be ignored. That’s a sure sign there’s something there.
It takes practice gained over years of sharing manuscripts to know when to let a comment sink in and when to dismiss it. There’s no real way to teach that. But listening to your own voice and returning to the vision you have for the novel is the best guide. Does the suggestion truly fit the book you’re writing? Is it organic, even though suggested by someone else? Does it add depth or clarity to the characters and story? This type of scrutiny can take an idea out of the realm of any defensiveness and into more neutral and useful territory.
The goal is to be as critical of the feedback as the feedback is of your novel. To be discerning about the voices you invite into your project. And to never forget that it is, first and foremost, your project. When you hear a chorus of insights, listen to those that work in harmony with your own voice, for that’s the one that matters most.
This is timely as I’m about to enter feedback seeking mode.
My past novels were Romances. I quickly learned it’s best to stick with readers that love the genre for the most helpful feedback. Also, keeping my question list to at most 2 concerns gave me a better chance of getting specific info. I once waited 3 months for feedback from a reader whose opinion I valued more than any. In the end he detailed what he liked (luckily a lot). When I pressed him for where could I improve, he said he chooses to see the good (period). I learned the writer can’t dictate the form of the feedback, especially when it’s on multicultural matters.
My current manuscript is more of a literary romance. I’m at a loss on where to get feedback. I’m afraid genre Romance readers will be put off by the structure and literary readers will be put off by, well, sex and romance. I am not in a writer community these days and will most likely have to pay for feedback. I had great results on fiverr for Romance readers in the past, but literary readers are much more expensive, so that’s concerning. If anyone knows of other resources, I’m very interested.
Thank you for the post.
Thanks for reading my essay and best of luck with your current ms. And I appreciate what you’ve learned from the previous experience. It’s not easy to find the right readers and the right time. There are so many on line writing communities–I hope you find one that’s a good fit for this book in particular. You’re wise to try to find folks who already are familiar with your type of novel.
Welcome to the WU contributor family, VIrginia! This is a great post and SO timely. I love your example of the friend’s husband seeing a different story that what you planned. And Lord knows, the DOUBT angle hits home, too. I’ve just sent my latest manuscript to two beta reader novelists and I’m waiting to hear their impressions. I know I’ll return to this post for reinforcement. Thanks.
Thanks so much for the welcome, Liza. I’m excited to be here! And I hope you hear good, useful things from your beta readers. It’s a process, for sure!
I like what you say about doubt. It’s like a darkening in the sky, the wind picking up, the air cooling. Rain hasn’t yet come but you know it will. You bring in the laundry on the line. You change your plans.
I also like what you say about not sharing until there’s a draft. Like you, I don’t know the novel right away. I think that I do, but it’s a relationship and there is much to discover and much at first that I miss.
I like what you say about a novel’s internal logic and the novel that readers tell you they wish they were reading. All useful, a nudge in a direction the way a canoe swings a little to the right or left depending on which side you are paddling with the oar. You’ll get to the other side of the lake, of course, just not in a perfectly straight line and why should you?
Good post.
Oh, Benjamin, what lovely metaphors! And I love that say that novel writing is a relationship. Spot on. Thanks for your feedback on this and best of luck with your current work. Onward we go!
I write in an odd way: after detailed (extreme) plotting, I’m left with a series of scene ‘boxes’ where I put all the material that might possibly end up in that scene. Then I start on the first, write it (discarding much), edit, and polish. I listen to it many times. When I have all the scenes for a chapter finished, I add the epigraphs, make sure it works as a chapter (minor tweaks sometimes), and send the FINISHED chapter to my beta reader.
She comments, occasionally points out a typo (to my chagrin), we may email back and forth a bit about my choices, she will tell me how they’ve worked for her, and the chapter is in the can. She’s invaluable – I wouldn’t dream of considering it completed until she’s vetted it, but may have started on the next scene already.
I can’t do drafts – damaged brain and desperately slow – because they require holding way too much material in mind, but I have plenty of opportunity to decide if something belongs in the book and where during the plotting. I live that scene with the characters intensely as I write it – no setting things aside for a while – until it happened that way, with those words, cinematically.
Think of soap operas – once an episode has aired, you’re stuck with it! Except I write mainstream literary fiction. So far this has produced, in twenty-three years, the first two volumes of a trilogy. I’ve just finished plotting for the third – and started the writing. Three to five more years should do it.
Thanks for sharing these thoughts, Alicia. Interesting to hear about your process. 3-5 years! Onward!
I comment about my odd way of writing, and some of the problems it solves, mainly because I don’t see anyone else working that way – and it might strike some illumination in the processes of those who, like me, CAN’T write the ‘normal’ way, with drafts, critique groups, external editors, and so many things considered essential. Younger writers sometimes get stuck with advice that doesn’t work for them (I did – last century).
Even plotting gets razzed by those who want you to forget all that and just plunge in to following your characters around and writing down what they say.
I’ll never be fast OR prolific, but I get to write what I want, deeply complex fiction – and still make it work. You can’t tell from the outside HOW something was written, mostly (though, as with AI, there are signs).
Alicia,
The process doesn’t matter as long as it results in a finished book and hopefully a good one. It’s great that you’ve found a process that works for you.
I don’t make outlines or plot out the book, but write to discover what happens next. But I also revise as I go–each scene, each chapter goes through much revision before I call it done and move on. So it that way, we’re alike. It’s a slow process, but the best way to discovery write (for me, anyway) is to go slow enough to not drive the story off a cliff, which, from what I’ve observed, seems to happen to a lot of beginning writers who try the seat-of-the-pants method. I spend more time looking over my shoulder at what’s already happened than I do looking forward. Because what came before is what drives what comes after.
Sounds wise, Beth. Best of luck with whatever you’re working on!
Hi, Virginia, and welcome to WU! Your insightful post reminds me of a quote from the end of Henry V. The narrator says of the reign of his son, who came to the throne at the age of nine months, “whose state so many had the managing, that they lost France, and made his England bleed…” That sums up pretty well what happened to my first manuscript. I was a baby writer and I had so little confidence in my own discernment of what was working that I took as gospel every comment from my critique partners. My book ended up a big incoherent mess. Learning to critique the critiques has been part of my path toward maturity!
Wow, Kristen, that’s a terrific quote and analogy that perfectly sums up the problem. I hope you’ve strengthened your practice to protect yourself in more current manuscripts. It’s a complicated balance, but we do our best on behalf of our work. Thanks for replying. –Virginia
Learning to critique the critiques — I love it, Kristin. And oh boy, as Virginia responded, a complicated balance. I’m new to fiction (two years into working on a novel) and I realize I’ve been too quick to ask for feedback. I’m learning, I hope, to be more judicious!
Sounds smart, Jeanie. Best of luck with your writing!