In Conversation with Heather Webb
By Writer Unboxed | March 17, 2023 |
Today’s long-form interview of long-time contributor Heather Webb was conducted by our newest contributor here at Writer Unboxed: Emilie-Noelle Provost. Emilie-Noelle’s own debut novel, The River is Everywhere, released just this past week! Thank you, Emilie-Noelle and Heather!
We’re excited to share this interview today with Heather Webb, the bestselling author of nine historical novels. Her latest book, Strangers in the Night, a fictional retelling of Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner’s famous love story, will be released on March 21.
“Heather Webb has set a new standard in historical fiction by writing a story that was so engaging that I forgot I was reading a book and not actually embodying the characters. Legendary stars Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner come alive under her deft handling of their tumultuous and passionate relationship and will leave readers feeling like they’ve leapt from the page into living, breathing people that they know. A lifelong fan of the famous crooner, my own music listening will forever be quite impacted by Webb’s captivating book.”
— Camille di Maio, bestselling author of The Memory of Us
Heather is an adjunct instructor at Drexel University’s MFA in creative writing program, and for the last fifteen years has also worked as a freelance editor. Her next novel, Queens of London, the story of the city’s first all-female crime syndicate, will be released in 2024. Heather lives in New England with her family, a mischievous kitten, and one feisty rabbit. You can see what she’s up to on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, and BookBub.
Emilie-Noelle Provost: Your newest novel, Strangers in the Night, will be released on March 21. The book is a fictional retelling of Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner’s legendary romance. Can you talk about some of the reasons you were drawn to this story? What is it about old Hollywood that people find so captivating?
Heather Webb: I was approached by my publisher to write this book, actually. Of course, I was in as soon as I heard “Frank Sinatra.” I grew up listening to him at dinner parties and at my grandparents’ house, and I feel a bit of fond nostalgia every time one of his songs is playing in the background somewhere. He was a fascinating person with a very big life, so it was a lot fun digging into his story.
Ava Gardner, on the other hand, I knew nothing about, so I had a great time getting to know her, her films, and her life story.
I’m speaking for myself here in terms of the appeal of Hollywood, but just about everyone loves behind-the-scenes details about a famous person or event. It feels gossipy and secretive and a little fun.
The other aspect of Hollywood that’s appealing is filmmaking: acting, directing, producing, cinematography, music. It’s an enormous undertaking to put out a film, reliant upon many people. A lot of people find it really interesting. Plus, the weather there is beautiful; the people are beautiful, and the setting is beautiful (if you’re not stuck on the PCH or some other miserable interstate).
ENP: Why you chose to write Strangers in the Night in the first person?
HW: I wrote the novel in first person because [the story] is very intimate and relies heavily on voice. I knew I had to really nail the voice in this book for both characters since it’s told in dual first person perspective, otherwise the story wouldn’t quite land. I did start out writing it in third person but I couldn’t hear the characters in my head the same way.
ENP: You primarily write historical fiction, including books set during the First World War, The French Revolution, and in New York City in the early 1900s. What do you find compelling about writing stories that are set in the past? How do you decide which stories you want to tell?
HW: Researching and writing about the past gives me a much greater understanding of why things are the way they are today. Laws, social mores, fashion, various professions, technology, inventions … It’s a bit like piecing together a puzzle, and as the pieces fall into place you gain a clear view of the fabric of society. It helps me to understand who I am, too.
Most often, the story chooses me. There will be signs, for lack of a better term, that appear over and over again surrounding a particular topic and I’ll feel a certain energy there. I’ll dig in a bit and see how the idea feels as I research. My first book, I dreamed about Josephine Bonaparte every day for almost two weeks, out of nowhere. My second, I kept running into renditions of Rodin’s The Thinker just about everywhere I went.
It’s worth saying, too, that I gravitate toward events and people and locations that interest me: Paris and London and NYC. For my collaborations, however, I sit down and brainstorm topic ideas with my writing partner, Hazel Gaynor.
ENP: Writing historical fiction often requires a significant amount of research. Can you talk a little about what your research and writing process is like?
HW: I front-load my research before I begin writing. In other words, I research for four to eight weeks using all my work-day hours to read, take notes, and create a historical outline. At some point I decide I have enough and I’ll start working on the story.
ENP: Several of your novels are set in France. What is it about that country and its culture that has led you to invest so much of your time and talent in it?
HW: I taught high school French for a decade, so there’s that! It was a good place to start, having known quite a bit about the language and culture already. I love France and the differences between our two cultures.
ENP: A few of your books were co-written with author Hazel Gaynor. How did you and Hazel decide to collaborate?
HW: Hazel and I share an agent, so we ended up working on an anthology together set on the first Armistice Day at the end of the Great War. We got along like peas and carrots, so we started brainstorming ideas for a co-novel and Last Christmas in Paris (a novel of the Great War) was born. It was a blast, so here we are five years later working on our fourth collaboration, which will be published next fall.
ENP: You are working on a new novel, Queens of London, that will be released in 2024. Can you give readers a sneak peek at what this book will be about?
HW: I can! Here’s my current tagline mash-up that’s still a work-in-progress:
A tale of dark glamour and sisterhood, when an all-female gang ruled the streets of Roaring Twenties London. From elegant roadsters to rowdy gin houses, from knives to pearls, Queens of London is a look at Britain’s first all-female crime syndicate, the ever-shifting meaning of justice, and the way women claimed their power by any means necessary.
ENP: You have a large social media presence and appear at live events frequently. Can you talk a bit about how you manage the business and marketing side of being an author? Are there any tips you can share with other writers?
HW: Originally, I joined social media because it was being pushed pretty hard at writers. Most of the data now show social media from an author’s account rarely equates to book sales. (It can equal book sales but very often doesn’t.) So, I’ve been spending less and less time on it. But when it’s been a while, I start to miss my colleagues and friends that I only interact with online. So, I’m hooked!
As for tips, authors should consider doing good news roundups rather than posting every single article or mention of their book that comes their way. Unfortunately, your social media accounts reach the same circle of people over and over again. Followers, even friends, can become fatigued by the constant loop of self-promotion. I’ve watched both big authors and aspiring authors do this. The fact is, people who follow you on social media do want your book content, but more than anything they want the social interaction. They want to get to know you. So, just be sure you know what your boundaries are in terms of posts.
ENP: If you could give one piece of advice to new and aspiring authors, what would it be?
HW: It will destroy your love for writing if you don’t learn how to nourish your creative self during the ups and downs of this very difficult and competitive business. Work at accepting that the business of publishing is separate from the joy of creating and telling stories. It’s very easy to be crushed by rejections, flat sales, and books that don’t go off as well as hoped with readers. It’s easy to compare your writing career/life to another author’s who has had more success and feel slighted.
I’m a work in progress with this myself. I often handle it well, but sometimes I don’t. When I’m struggling, I work on my gratitude list and talk things through with my BFFs, and it helps me put things in perspective.
An excellent read this morning. First, welcome to WU, Emilie-Noelle.
My fascination with Sinatra began very young, and stems from my dad. I don’t think of him as a huge Sinatra fan, but when the Beatles were on Sullivan (not the first time–I don’t have a clear memory of that) my older sister–then in her early teens–was bordering on hysteria, sitting on the floor in right front of the living room set (which wasn’t ordinarily allowed in our house, because… “You’ll got blind if you sit that close!”). When I inquired about what seemed to me to be utterly new (and bizarre?) behavior from teenage girls (already by then named Beatlemania), my dad dryly reported that it was nothing new. He said he’d seen it all before–girls screaming, swooning, crying–when he saw Sinatra in the early 40s. I couldn’t believe my dad had seen Sinatra live. It seemed way too cool for what I knew of the staid gentleman he seemed to be when I was a boy. From that day on, born of the fact that Sinatra had caused that sort of response paired with the fact that my dad had been moved to see him live, an avid interest was born. I’m keen to read.
Big thanks for the sage wisdom, Heather. You’ve always been an inspiration and a guiding presence in my writing life, and it’s much appreciated. Wishing you the very best with the new projects!
Vaughn, Can’t wait to see you in Salem! (I had to go ahead and get that out)
I love this story. Frank WAS the original Beatlemania, but I’ll tell you something I learned in my research. Those original Bobbysoxers that screamed and cried for Frank at his first few shows at the Paramount Theater in New York? THEY WERE PAID! They weren’t paid much, but a core of those young women were paid to scream when Frank appeared on stage and the rumor got around and a star was born! This wasn’t instigated by Frank but his manager/publicist at the time. He had a very low career point after that a few years later, which I go into in the book, but the publicity stunt feels so authentic and on-par with the kind of things they pull today, doesn’t it?
I also laughed at your “you’ll go blind” comment. It made me think of Ralphie and “you’ll shoot your eye out, kid” from A Christmas Story!
Thanks, as always, for your wonderful comments.
I’ve been loo0king forward to this book ever since I learned you’d written it, Heather. Ava Gardner remains seared in my memory due to her performance in The Night of the Iguana. She’s also one of Artie Shaw’s 11 (or 12?) wives; only jazz musician with more was Charlie Barnet.
And Sinatra’s affair with her was during an incredibly rough time for him professionally. (I do hope Mitch Miller plays a cameo role in the story, and you make him the smarmy little goateed a**hole he was.)
Hahaha. Thanks for that, David! You made me laugh. I don’t think Mitch Miller makes an appearance but there are plenty of other assholes in Hollywood who do, Louis B. Mayer included. LOL. Artie Shaw was a piece of work–he had eight wives–and he was so horribly condescending to Ava. She suffered quite a bit of that with her traffic-stopping looks and southern accent, but she really was quite intelligent and worked hard to improve herself. But I could go on and on. I hope you do enjoy the book! There was so much more I wanted to write about both of them, but eventually my editor drew a line. LOL.
I hope you’ll be in Salem in Nov?
BTW: While Googling the Mitch Miller thing to make sure I had the dates right (and oh what an odious, smug little weasel he was), I learned that the ONE SONG Sinatra hated to sing was … wait for it … wait for it … Yep. Strangers in the Night. Projection maybe. (It was, ironically, fiendishly, his greatest hit.)
And I’ll be at UnCon if I’ve recovered enough from knee surgery.
Question for Heather: You’ve explained well the fun and appeal in a real-people retelling, and in Strangers you’ve got hold of two fascinating icons at a significant time in their lives, but what was the unanswered question about them that gripped you? What, for you, made their story a quest for a truth that a biography can’t discover and that only a novel can?
Great questions as always, Don. First and foremost, I was asked to write this book so it has a different kind of appeal and it involves a different process for a writer than a topic we discover and yearn to explore all on our own. But I’d say what gripped me about them both was their restlessness. They had so much–beauty, fame, fortune, friends, their hearts’ desires–and yet, they were restless. Unsettled. Questioning. They longed to be together as well but couldn’t seem to reconcile that want with what they really needed. Are there different kinds of love and is one more important than the other? What does a commitment to one person mean? I explore all of this.
I also found myself thinking a lot about legacy while writing this book. What is this all for, once you reach the pinnacle? Do you keep going and for what reason? And who are you without your talents and without the constant recognition? Who is more of a legend than Frank Sinatra, I ask you? There are probably a handful of names but there aren’t many. Anyway, I would have loved to dig much deeper into these ideas, too.
Thanks for stopping by, Don. Looking forward to seeing you this fall.
Such a fun read to start off the day! And I thought you couldn’t top Strangers in the Night, Heather, but now I am so intrigued by Queens of London!
I have to agree. Is Queens of London up yet for pre-order?
I do believe you made my night, Don! Queens of London was an absolute riot. I had so much fun writing it!
Ha ha! And this is why we’re friends! I look forward to beach walks soon. xx
I think Heather is working to turn in Queens of London TODAY, as a matter of fact. I’m sure she’ll circle back as soon as she can. Meanwhile, thank you, Emilie-Noelle and Heather, for a great interview. The River Is Everywhere just arrived, and Strangers In the Night is set to ship on Tuesday!
Thank you, my friend! IT IS TURNED IN AND NOW THERE IS WINE! Celebration time.
Emilie-Noelle is wonderful and I’m looking forward to checking out her debut, too!
Thanks so very much for your candor and generosity. I look forward to your new book! Congrats!
This was a wonderful interview, thanks. Good advice about author social media.